The difficulty for Christians who aspire to positions of influence and power, is that the top person within the framework they inhabit became the lowest person in the eyes of the world. What can a Christian aspire to if the crown of their leader’s ministry is failure and defeat? What does the mother of the sons of Zebedee expect Jesus to offer her sons, beyond the Cross? Richard and Fr. Marc discuss Matthew 20:20-23. Episode 343 Matthew 20:20-23; Music: Iron Bacon by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3925-iron-bacon License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/